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Post by The Messiah 2030 Project on Mar 15, 2024 18:05:09 GMT
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Post by zach on Apr 28, 2024 3:18:02 GMT
Why would Jesus not know himself? I get why Daniel, the Apostles, and everyone before the time of the end were not supposed to know because of the "sealing," but why would Jesus include himself in that? All of creation was made through Jesus. Col 1:16–19 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell,
Considering our view that the seven days of creation are a map of God's plan for the world over 7000 years, wouldn't Jesus have to know when He was returning? Jesus must know now, and it seems like He should have known before His first coming if the 7000-year plan is true. I doubt He had his memory wiped when He became a man. Jesus is all-knowing like God before he became man and after, right? Was He all-knowing during His life? If so, how does that harmonize with him saying He does not know the day or hour? Even the plausible hebraic idiom doesn't work (for Jesus), although it does for everyone else.
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Post by The Messiah 2030 Project on Apr 28, 2024 3:52:05 GMT
Yes, he knows now. There is an answer here. There are certain topics that are out of scope for The Messiah 2030 Project and this topic is one of them. Our public discussions must stay within eschatology. It is an excellent question.
Hebrews 5:8
Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered.
Luke 2:52
And Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature and in favor with God and man
There are some things that are very difficult to understand regarding the nature of the Messiah.
But regarding the day/hour, not even Messiah Yeshua was aware of what the sun, moon and stars would look like 2,000 years later, despite who he is and where he came from. He likely knew the year, as did the angels. But narrowing it down to the day/hour, that was likely not possible yet.
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Post by zach on Apr 28, 2024 4:39:16 GMT
That makes sense He would still know the year. That's true, the nature of Jesus "condescending" Himself to become fully human while also being fully God may be impossible to understand entirely.
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Post by carpenter1777 on Apr 29, 2024 4:26:55 GMT
So this might be strange to hear but please hear it. I have been a follower of Jesus my whole life. When I was about eighteen God spoke to me. This was around 1988.I lived in the country and spent a lot of time by myself drawing close to God. One day he told me when Jesus would return. Not the day or hour but time frame. I was told I would be in my fifties. I went into our house and told my mom. She chastised me and told me I was wrong and that it wasn't true that God spoke to me. I was devastated. Not long after that God told me something else. He told me my sister was coming to visit us. Now this was before cell phones and we lived a long ways from her and far up a mountain so she never came without calling to say she was on her way. The reason was if she didn't show up in a certain amount of time we would go looking for her. I ran into the house and told my mom. She said I was wrong because my sister hadn't called. I tried to tell her God had told me she was coming but she didn't believe me. I went outside very upset and a short time later my sister showed up. I lived with this revelation about Jesus's return for many years without really talking about it. I knew people would react the same way my mother did. When I was in my forties I was speaking to God about it and asking if I should tell people maybe I was wrong. I heard him speak to me. He said to me did I tell you your sister was coming up and I said yes Lord he then said did she show up and I said yes Lord. He then said did I tell you when my son was coming back and I said yes Lord. I could not see him but I clearly knew he was giving me a look of well then what do you think. I knew he was releasing me to talk about it. I often wondered as time went on how the seven year tribulation would fit into what I knew the time frame of Jesus's return would be. You see it's 2024 and this year I will be fifty five. After watching these videos so much has made sense. First there only has to be a three and a half year time period. And also I was worried because in 2030 I turn sixty which would make it all not true. But you said he would return on the first day of the rosh hashana feast of trumpets from what I understand. Well in 2030 that begins September 27 at sundown until sundown September 29. Well my birthday is September 29 but I was born at 9:17 pm after sundown. So if he comes back anytime during that time I will still be in my fifties. And it's crazy because my birthday is 9/29/1969 born at 9:17 pm so many nines and Jesus was also born in September and will return in September. Wouldn't it be crazy if he came back on my birthday just before I turned sixty. Well all I can say is I've know the decade for many years and now I am so excited to know the more accurate time frame. God has also showed me other things. He showed me things that have already come true and things that are in the future
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Post by cassidysph on Apr 29, 2024 5:05:42 GMT
So this might be strange to hear but please hear it. Thank you for sharing this story / testimony! I loved it so much. Praise God! He’s so amazing. |
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Post by briankmartens on May 30, 2024 16:15:33 GMT
Why would Jesus not know himself? I get why Daniel, the Apostles, and everyone before the time of the end were not supposed to know because of the "sealing," but why would Jesus include himself in that? All of creation was made through Jesus. Col 1:16–19 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, Considering our view that the seven days of creation are a map of God's plan for the world over 7000 years, wouldn't Jesus have to know when He was returning? Jesus must know now, and it seems like He should have known before His first coming if the 7000-year plan is true. I doubt He had his memory wiped when He became a man. Jesus is all-knowing like God before he became man and after, right? Was He all-knowing during His life? If so, how does that harmonize with him saying He does not know the day or hour? Even the plausible hebraic idiom doesn't work (for Jesus), although it does for everyone else. It is my understanding that God is the Father, and our King Yeshua is His only begotton Son. |
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Post by trentonjohnson91 on Jun 2, 2024 22:46:28 GMT
We live in a despotic world and all of us are just trying to make sense of it. There is One truth and the world of sin corrupts it erroneously for us all. The context/comprehension that Messiah2030 makes with this lesson, makes the most sense to me.
Suffering sucks and we all know that. And I think that's the root of all of our questioning. I know that when Jesus was pressured by Satan, when he was fasting for forty days, Satan said he could have all the kingdoms of the world, if Jesus would just bow down to him... that's an immense temptation for any of us! How many of us just wish to win the lottery?! The adversary was talking about the whole world and it's riches.
Satan controls and harms this world because of his free will. Yahweh and Yeshua are saving it through everyone's else's free will. Elohim has no plans to make us automatons. We, as humanity, cannot govern ourselves without Our Father. It has been mistake after mistake since leaving the garden! If Yahweh helped Satan, which is the current ruler of this world, to end suffering, then existence would be a lie and we would not need Yahweh! That would be a lie and our Creator is not a liar!
Our focus as Christians is to help people out of the trap, as we were helped. That's all we can do. If we rightly divide the word, we can be the virgins with the oil in our lamps. None of us are wise, but we can ask for wisdom and the door will be opened.
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