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Post by A Watchman on Nov 19, 2024 7:34:00 GMT
This would provide the opportunity to fulfill Daniel 11:40-45 and defeat Israel's enemies that come against her and increase belief in Israel that the Messiah has arrived. Then when he comes to his end and lives again, he will claim to be establishing the new covenant, having been killed and resurrected for his people. The sacrifice will not longer be needed and he will claim to be God in the temple. Ironically, the blinded Jews that reject him will probably do so partially based on the idea that he can't be God, even though they aren't rejecting him because they believe in Yeshua yet. I think they will also have been convinced by the two witnesses who will be prophesying in Jerusalem during the first half of the 70th week. The antichrist killed and resurrected? Who ressurects him? Are you taking Revelation 13:3 to mean that he actually died? Revelation 13:3 KJV [3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. Revelation 13:3 NASB2020 [3] I saw one of his heads as if it had been fatally wounded, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; I took it to mean he was thrown out of power and everyone thought that was his end....then he got back to power. Daniel 11:45
"And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him."
Revelation 13:3-4, 12, 14 "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? ... And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. ... And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."
Revelation 17:7-8 "And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."
Where is the only place where no matter which direction you walk you are going North? The South pole. Likewise, where is the only place where no matter what direction you go, it's up? a bottomless pit at the center of a sphere. Ephesians 4:7-10 "But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)"
Matthew 12:40-41
"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas [is] here."
Interestingly, one of the main "great city" mentioned in scripture is Nineveh, which repented while Jerusalem did not. The idea of coming up from the bottomless pit would seem to coincide with the idea of resurrection from the dead.
2 Thessalonians 2:7-12 "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
The beast, that is the 8th head that comes from the 7th was not and is and ascends out of the bottomless pit. This beast the world will worship because he was and is not and yet is. A "miracle," a strong delusion, to give the impression to those who don't know God that their god has a power beyond their understanding. Who in modern times has seen a resurrection from the dead, wouldn't that be a wonder to behold? That is the spirit of this earth showing forth the works of the flesh, and by that spirit what the world sees as power will consume those who love their mortal lives more than their eternal lives. That they will give up their birthright for a bowl of soup.
The prophetic symbolism speaks to a reality. I know many prefer to keep things symbolic, but I believe that what is presented symbolically speaks to a material, temporal, literal truth of the future. Just like parables speak to a spiritual reality through a generic tale, the spiritual representations in the prophetic narrative speak to a very real future that will affect us all. That's not to say I've got it nailed down, but I have yet to see where scripture is in disagreement with the underlying concept that THE antichrist will come expressing the spirit of antichrist in it's most potent form with spiritual power behind it to deceive if it were possible even the elect.
I think so many are looking to Islam or Europe while overlooking the very Hebrew nature of scripture from beginning to end. The greatest deception is the one you don't expect, that comes from a right and correct place of fighting for Israel, who has been beaten down by the mystery of iniquity and hatred of the Dragon for millennia. I'm right there defending Israel too. It's sweet to the mouth when I see Israel finally taking a righteous stand to defend herself against the wickedness and lies, and bitter in the stomach to think of the possibility of what this is all leading to, but I will never stop praying for justice. Out of this will come a faithful Israel that will remain true to God though part of her follows after other gods as historically written in the Old Testament and seen even in the Christian church today. We're all human.
I pray for the peace of Jerusalem, but I also see the master of deception primed to pull the wool of the sheep's clothing he's wearing over the eyes of many in the world. It's the perfect con, playing the savior to deceive the blind. Setting up his pawns to knock down with his king and make the silent majority of the world pine for peace that seemed impossible. I don't like it, I don't want it, I pray for God's justice, but I also see God's design in it and must defer as it's not my place to change what God said will happen. I'm a watchman, not a changeman. All I can do is tell it like I see it and continue to adjust my understanding to God's Word as I continue to grow in Him and take the opportunities to share what I've learned and learn from those who will correct me. Sola scriptura.
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Post by ComeLordJesus on Nov 19, 2024 8:11:47 GMT
The beast, that is the 8th head that comes from the 7th was not and is and ascends out of the bottomless pit. This beast the world will worship because he was and is not and yet is. A "miracle," a strong delusion, to give the impression to those who don't know God that their god has a power beyond their understanding. Who in modern times has seen a resurrection from the dead, wouldn't that be a wonder to behold? That is the spirit of this earth showing forth the works of the flesh, and by that spirit what the world sees as power will consume those who love their mortal lives more than their eternal lives. That they will give up their birthright for a bowl of soup. The prophetic symbolism speaks to a reality. I know many prefer to keep things symbolic, but I believe that what is presented symbolically speaks to a material, temporal, literal truth of the future. Just like parables speak to a spiritual reality through a generic tale, the spiritual representations in the prophetic narrative speak to a very real future that will affect us all. That's not to say I've got it nailed down, but I have yet to see where scripture is in disagreement with the underlying concept that THE antichrist will come expressing the spirit of antichrist in it's most potent form with spiritual power behind it to deceive if it were possible even the elect. I'm having trouble with the idea that Satan can give life! Can Satan give life? Yes it will be a delusion but not that he actually gave the breath of life to the beast! I hear Elon talking of living forever in machines. Is that what will happen? That the head that was wounded died but behold, he lives in a machine now! So that's the machine we'll forced to worship? |
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Post by A Watchman on Nov 19, 2024 8:53:08 GMT
The beast, that is the 8th head that comes from the 7th was not and is and ascends out of the bottomless pit. This beast the world will worship because he was and is not and yet is. A "miracle," a strong delusion, to give the impression to those who don't know God that their god has a power beyond their understanding. Who in modern times has seen a resurrection from the dead, wouldn't that be a wonder to behold? That is the spirit of this earth showing forth the works of the flesh, and by that spirit what the world sees as power will consume those who love their mortal lives more than their eternal lives. That they will give up their birthright for a bowl of soup. The prophetic symbolism speaks to a reality. I know many prefer to keep things symbolic, but I believe that what is presented symbolically speaks to a material, temporal, literal truth of the future. Just like parables speak to a spiritual reality through a generic tale, the spiritual representations in the prophetic narrative speak to a very real future that will affect us all. That's not to say I've got it nailed down, but I have yet to see where scripture is in disagreement with the underlying concept that THE antichrist will come expressing the spirit of antichrist in it's most potent form with spiritual power behind it to deceive if it were possible even the elect. I'm having trouble with the idea that Satan can give life! Can Satan give life? Yes it will be a delusion but not that he actually gave the breath of life to the beast! I hear Elon talking of living forever in machines. Is that what will happen? That the head that was wounded died but behold, he lives in a machine now! So that's the machine we'll forced to worship?
I believe God sends the strong delusion, not the Dragon, that they would believe a lie. God resurrects the false christ, not the Dragon. God is allowing the Dragon to play pretend for a short time to refine and separate the wheat from the chaff. I think God has been gathering His people back to the land slowly and in the coming years I think that will kick into high gear.
Job 23:10 "But he knoweth the way that I take: [when] he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold."
Psalm 12:6 "The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times."
Psalm 17:3 "Thou hast proved mine heart; thou hast visited [me] in the night; thou hast tried me, [and] shalt find nothing; I am purposed [that] my mouth shall not transgress."
Psalm 66:10 "For thou, O God, hast proved us: thou hast tried us, as silver is tried."
Psalm 105:19 "Until the time that his word came: the word of the LORD tried him."
Jeremiah 12:3 "But thou, O LORD, knowest me: thou hast seen me, and tried mine heart toward thee: pull them out like sheep for the slaughter, and prepare them for the day of slaughter."
Daniel 12:10 "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."
Zechariah 13:9 "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God."
Hebrews 11:17 "By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten [son],"
James 1:12 "Blessed [is] the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him."
1 Peter 1:7 "That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:"
Revelation 2:2, 10 "I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: ... Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast [some] of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."
Revelation 3:18 "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see."
I don't put much stock in the idea that technology will allow life from death. We are eternal spiritual beings, separate from the material world when separated from our mortal bodies. Perhaps we could upload aspects of a mind, such as a series of thoughts or ideas that could be used to simulate a mind, or spirit. But the bottom line is when our mortal body dies, our spirit continues to exist outside of a machine that might be able to simulate a personality based on limited capture of a mind. Perhaps it could be used in deception, much like mediums open themselves to the spiritual realm they don't understand and are used to deceive.
I think the symbolic seventh head of the Dragon representing the mystery of iniquities influence through history and its transition to the eighth head in the mortal wounding and healing is a symbolic representation of a physical reality that will happen when the one who began his journey leading Israel back to the Mosaic Covenant suddenly does an about-face and through the convincing nature of a resurrection from the dead causes many to believe he is the messiah and follow him with zeal.
A quick pop culture reference, I think we see this transition unwittingly displayed in two movies.
Watch Disney's Wish from the perspective of faithful Israel. They are offered a kingdom that provides security after a tumultuous time until suddenly the king is consumed by an evil spell that he can influence his followers with to root out any who stand against him. Suddenly he shows all his cards and the people recoil in horror as they find themselves caught up in his deception.
From the perspective of unfaithful Israel, watch Dune II. We see a history of rumors of a messiah for the Fremen and when he shows up some are true believers and some mock them. Even he rejects the idea at first, but once he drinks the blood of a sandworm he dies and comes back to life with a helper. He enters a sacred space of the Fremen and at first they begin to stand up against him, but he takes on his prophesied role with power and authority and convinces them all to following him as they defeat the armies from off-planet and are unstoppable.
The same kind of idea from two perspectives, and the idea of a resurrection?
1 Kings 17:17-24 "And it came to pass after these things, [that] the son of the woman, the mistress of the house, fell sick; and his sickness was so sore, that there was no breath left in him. And she said unto Elijah, What have I to do with thee, O thou man of God? art thou come unto me to call my sin to remembrance, and to slay my son? And he said unto her, Give me thy son. And he took him out of her bosom, and carried him up into a loft, where he abode, and laid him upon his own bed. And he cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, hast thou also brought evil upon the widow with whom I sojourn, by slaying her son? And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again. And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived. And Elijah took the child, and brought him down out of the chamber into the house, and delivered him unto his mother: and Elijah said, See, thy son liveth. And the woman said to Elijah, Now by this I know that thou [art] a man of God, [and] that the word of the LORD in thy mouth [is] truth."
The tradition is to leave a glass of wine for Elijah on Passover. Not only is Elijah known for calling fire from heaven, but resurrection. Elijah is prophesied to prepare the way for the Messiah, if God uses this false prophet to appear to resurrect the false christ, it would be a strong delusion indeed. God is able to accomplish it, not the Dragon, not the false prophet, and certainly not the false christ.
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Post by ComeLordJesus on Nov 19, 2024 18:40:09 GMT
I believe a great time of testing is coming for Israel and if that is the case and 2030 is the middle of the week, then I expect we will see around Pesach 2027 the beginning of the 70th week and the rise of one who will seem to want to bring Israel back to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He will know the Law and change the times and seasons to bring a willing Israel to confirmation of that Law. The reaction in the region would be as expected seeing that just the red heifers in part kicked off the last year of conflict, imagine what rebuilding the temple will do. This would provide the opportunity to fulfill Daniel 11:40-45 and defeat Israel's enemies that come against her and increase belief in Israel that the Messiah has arrived. Then when he comes to his end and lives again, he will claim to be establishing the new covenant, having been killed and resurrected for his people. The sacrifice will not longer be needed and he will claim to be God in the temple. Ironically, the blinded Jews that reject him will probably do so partially based on the idea that he can't be God, even though they aren't rejecting him because they believe in Yeshua yet. I think they will also have been convinced by the two witnesses who will be prophesying in Jerusalem during the first half of the 70th week. My heart doesn't sit right with the explanation that God is the one who resurrects the antichrist (if at all the passage means he physically died). Sending the great delusion could have another explanation. But I'll consider it and see how God reveals it to me. Back to the antichrist's identity, to say it will be a Jewish Messiah. The second beast makes an image of the first beast to be worshipped. Why would Jews do that? Even if he did ressurect from the dead, isn't making an image and worshipping it sin? For this reason I don't believe its a Jewish Messiah. The antichrist will come deceiving the Jews as well, just as the Christians. Plus the 3.5yrs of the two witnesses can't be the first half of the week. It's the last half. Because after they're killed, 3.5 days later they're ressurected and taken up the clouds, then the last trump sounds. I think they'll be taken up at the same time as everyone else, at the last trumpet. |
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Post by FX on Nov 19, 2024 19:25:36 GMT
Bonjour !
You guys should take another close look at Messiah 2030 video 3, where they conclusively show that there is no such thing as a seven-year period to come. Instead, there are only 3.5 years remaining of the last week of Daniel. If Messiah 2030 teaching is correct, this period will span from Spring 2027 to Autumn 2030.
In the Greco-Roman paradigm, the Antichrist comes from Europe and is heralded as the Messiah and deceives the whole world. However, in the Hebraic (biblical) paradigm, the Antichrist comes from the Middle.East and only controls a limited area of that part of the World (including the land of Israel when he invades it). He is not proclaimed as the Messiah by the Jews but will be seen by his followers (i.e., Muslims) as a sort of savior when he takes Jerusalem back for Islam.
The head wound of the beast is most likely the abolition of the caliphate and the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1924. The Ottoman Empire was the seventh and last empire to control the Middle East. It will come back to life in some form as the eighth and final empire when Turkey (the main end-time player) rises up and leads a coalition of Muslim nations to attack Israel.
Don’t be distracted by the adversary, who seeks to divert attention in the wrong direction by having us focused on the West, when the entire biblical narrative unfolds in the Middle East. This is where our focus should be, if you ask me! Watch Turkey very closely...
Be blessed!
FX
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Post by ComeLordJesus on Nov 19, 2024 20:00:39 GMT
Bonjour ! You guys should take another close look at Messiah 2030 video 3, where they conclusively show that there is no such thing as a seven-year period to come. Instead, there are only 3.5 years remaining of the last week of Daniel. If Messiah 2030 teaching is correct, this period will span from Spring 2027 to Autumn 2030. In the Greco-Roman paradigm, the Antichrist is heralded as the Messiah and deceives the whole world. However, in the Hebraic (biblical) paradigm, the Antichrist only controls a limited area in the Middle East (including the land of Israel when he invades it). He is not proclaimed as the Messiah by the Jews but will be seen by his followers (i.e., Muslims) as a sort of savior when he takes Jerusalem back for Islam. The head wound of the beast is most likely the abolition of the caliphate and the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1924. The Ottoman Empire was the seventh and last empire to control the Middle East. It will come back to life in some form as the eighth and final empire when Turkey (the main end-time player) rises up and leads a coalition of Muslim nations to attack Israel. Don’t be distracted by the adversary, who seeks to divert attention in the wrong direction by having us focused on the West, when the entire biblical narrative unfolds in the Middle East. This is where our focus should be, if you ask me! Watch Turkey very closely... Be blessed! FX I have watched it. I agree that there's only 3.5yrs left of prophecy leading to Christ's coming. Didn't see the point of telling him that, I assumed the doesn't agree. What do you think about what I said earlier, about the Muslims not being the one? " 2) The antichrist will make an image to be worshipped. Muslims can't do that. They don't even want drawings of their prophet. 3) The antichrist will glorify himself above God. Muslims can't to that! They'll kill you for refusing to worship Allah but not one is above him. " |
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Post by FX on Nov 19, 2024 20:35:47 GMT
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Post by A Watchman on Nov 20, 2024 23:33:43 GMT
I believe a great time of testing is coming for Israel and if that is the case and 2030 is the middle of the week, then I expect we will see around Pesach 2027 the beginning of the 70th week and the rise of one who will seem to want to bring Israel back to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He will know the Law and change the times and seasons to bring a willing Israel to confirmation of that Law. The reaction in the region would be as expected seeing that just the red heifers in part kicked off the last year of conflict, imagine what rebuilding the temple will do. This would provide the opportunity to fulfill Daniel 11:40-45 and defeat Israel's enemies that come against her and increase belief in Israel that the Messiah has arrived. Then when he comes to his end and lives again, he will claim to be establishing the new covenant, having been killed and resurrected for his people. The sacrifice will not longer be needed and he will claim to be God in the temple. Ironically, the blinded Jews that reject him will probably do so partially based on the idea that he can't be God, even though they aren't rejecting him because they believe in Yeshua yet. I think they will also have been convinced by the two witnesses who will be prophesying in Jerusalem during the first half of the 70th week. My heart doesn't sit right with the explanation that God is the one who resurrects the antichrist (if at all the passage means he physically died). Sending the great delusion could have another explanation. But I'll consider it and see how God reveals it to me. Back to the antichrist's identity, to say it will be a Jewish Messiah. The second beast makes an image of the first beast to be worshipped. Why would Jews do that? Even if he did ressurect from the dead, isn't making an image and worshipping it sin? For this reason I don't believe its a Jewish Messiah. The antichrist will come deceiving the Jews as well, just as the Christians. Plus the 3.5yrs of the two witnesses can't be the first half of the week. It's the last half. Because after they're killed, 3.5 days later they're ressurected and taken up the clouds, then the last trump sounds. I think they'll be taken up at the same time as everyone else, at the last trumpet. I likewise can't spiritualize the false christ into something other than a man in the context of THE antichrist, recognizing there is a spirit of antichrist that opposes God's design of salvation through the Son of God who came in the flesh to die and rise again for the salvation of those who believe. It seems to me that Daniel 11:36-45 is clearly focused on a king and the symbolic representations of the beast, the little horn coincide with the idea of the man of lawlessness and man of sin that all point to a man. At the first abomination of desolation by Antiochus IV, he enforced idol worship and some did so to save their lives while others died rejecting him. In general I see the future as the same with one big change, the Jews are awaiting the Messiah and their scriptures say He will come in very specific ways. Even Yeshua didn't fulfill all the prophecies...yet, and I think that will be pointed to as why He was not the Messiah He claimed to be, the spirit of antichrist. God is allowing a time of testing before He fulfills the remaining prophecies in the Messianic Kingdom. And let's not forget even the Jews recognize Isaiah 53 and came up with Messiah ben Joseph and Messiah ben David to try and provide an explanation for the Messiah who is bruised for their transgressions and by His wounds they are healed. The outright reject Yeshua being that fulfillment. Isaiah 53:5 "But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed." Daniel 11:45 "And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him."
And what was the reason for not allowing idols or images that would be worshipped?
Deuteronomy 4:11-24 "And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness. And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only [ye heard] a voice. And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it. Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day [that] the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: Lest ye corrupt [yourselves], and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female, The likeness of any beast that [is] on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air, The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that [is] in the waters beneath the earth: And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, [even] all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven. But the LORD hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, [even] out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as [ye are] this day. Furthermore the LORD was angry with me for your sakes, and sware that I should not go over Jordan, and that I should not go in unto that good land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee [for] an inheritance: But I must die in this land, I must not go over Jordan: but ye shall go over, and possess that good land. Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, [or] the likeness of any [thing], which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee. For the LORD thy God [is] a consuming fire, [even] a jealous God."
God does not want worship pointed anywhere but at Him because He is the only God of creation there is. The covenant binds Israel to that One God as a marriage where harlotry and adultery are going after other gods and worshipping idols. Jeremiah 31:27-34 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast. And it shall come to pass, [that] like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the LORD. In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge. Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
The Jews do not believe Yeshua brought about a New Covenant 2,000 years ago, they still wait for it. The one who seems to fulfill all the prophecies, including the defeating of Israel's enemies that Yeshua did not do...yet, will be accepted as the fulfillment. The one who can hijack prophetic fulfillment for the purpose of deception gets to make his own new covenant, not according to the covenant made at Sinai. Furthermore, he will forgive their iniquity and forget their sin. Everyone will know him because he will be among them.
And what does this mean? I suspect it means the animal sacrifice meant to sanctify the congregation because of their sin will no longer be needed because the antichrist has just died and risen again for their sins. Isaiah 53 can finally be understood without that pesky Yeshua because this new messiah defeated Israel's enemies, he brought the people back to the land, he built the temple, he seemed to do all the things that God's design split into two periods of fulfillment. God is giving them the rope to hang themselves.
And if the reason not to have idols was to prevent worship of what is not God, what is the problem with having a representation of this man who just declared himself God after rising from the dead and stopping the daily sacrifice because there was no more sin for those who worshipped him? Would the prohibition against idol worship still stand when the image is that of the god-man living amongst you now that you know what he looks like? I think the mentality of those who are deceived into believing the Messianic Kingdom has begun explains why the wrath of God comes on Yom Kippur. The spiritual and mental state of those who are deceived will not be that of afflicting the soul, and so they will be cut off from the people. Yom Kippur in its prophetic fulfillment is the dividing line where God says enough. He has proven the hearts of those that are His and the wicked have revealed theirs. Faithful Israel will be protected, the bride removed, and unfaithful Israel and the world will be judged.
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Post by The Messiah 2030 Project on Nov 20, 2024 23:36:16 GMT
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Post by A Watchman on Nov 21, 2024 0:13:18 GMT
Bonjour ! You guys should take another close look at Messiah 2030 video 3, where they conclusively show that there is no such thing as a seven-year period to come. Instead, there are only 3.5 years remaining of the last week of Daniel. If Messiah 2030 teaching is correct, this period will span from Spring 2027 to Autumn 2030. In the Greco-Roman paradigm, the Antichrist comes from Europe and is heralded as the Messiah and deceives the whole world. However, in the Hebraic (biblical) paradigm, the Antichrist comes from the Middle.East and only controls a limited area of that part of the World (including the land of Israel when he invades it). He is not proclaimed as the Messiah by the Jews but will be seen by his followers (i.e., Muslims) as a sort of savior when he takes Jerusalem back for Islam. The head wound of the beast is most likely the abolition of the caliphate and the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1924. The Ottoman Empire was the seventh and last empire to control the Middle East. It will come back to life in some form as the eighth and final empire when Turkey (the main end-time player) rises up and leads a coalition of Muslim nations to attack Israel. Don’t be distracted by the adversary, who seeks to divert attention in the wrong direction by having us focused on the West, when the entire biblical narrative unfolds in the Middle East. This is where our focus should be, if you ask me! Watch Turkey very closely... Be blessed! FX Howdy!
I think Messiah 2030 has definitely gotten a lot right, however we will see if the temple is rebuilt in the next 2+ years. That will be the first indicator that things are off, at least if one believes the temple is literal as I do. I have not been convinced that the lack of a 7-year period has been conclusively shown. The underlying method of interpretation behind splitting the final week of years requires poetic interpretation when a plain reading also fits with the timeline they present, but also with everything else in scripture. I think a plain reading of scripture conclusively shows all 7 seals must come before the first trumpet and that the 7th trumpet contains all the 7 bowls, but I also see that the trumpets are part of the wrath of God and the sequence from Revelation 6-8 reveals the sixth seal, the holding back of any harm on the earth, the sealing of the 144,000 of Israel on earth, catching away of the bride to heaven to stand before the throne, and the handing out of the 7 trumpets. In agreement with the Olivet Discourse, Thessalonians, and Joel, the sixth seal comes before the day of the Lord and the catching away of the bride happens between the sixth seal and the start of the day of the Lord.
That leaves 7 trumpets and 7 bowls after the catching away of the bride and the fifth trumpet is at least 5 months of torment for those stung and the 6th bowl dries up the Euphrates to make way for the armies that Christ defeats at Armageddon. That doesn't account for the time it takes for the armies to get from where they are to Jerusalem to be defeated, so how does this all happen in the days of Awe? I don't think it does.
I think the abomination of desolation starts 30 days before Yom Kippur (perhaps 2030 if they're right), and the time of Jacob's trouble is that 30 days during the season of teshuvah where the unfaithful of Israel do not repent and the faithful of Israel do and are taken to the wilderness where they're protected from the Dragon for 1,260 days. If Revelation 7 ties the catching away and the sealing of the 144,000 before God's wrath, again we can't see a catching away in the last 10 days of the 70th week. Anyway, I agree there is no "7-year tribulation" as commonly referred to, but there is definitely a 7-year period IMO.
I agree the false christ must come from the Middle East and that's what I think the 10 horns and the little horn represent, an alliance of 10 kings and a smaller kingdom headed by the little horn that defeats 3 of them. The horn isn't little because it's weaker, it's just smaller in size yet defeats larger kingdoms in his rise to power. Just like the Middle East contains many kingdoms of Islamic nations and one little country of Israel, we see the 10:1 ratio and the strength of the smaller nation demonstrated since her birth in 1948 where every time her enemies come against her they are humbled.
IMO, Islam has been setup by the mystery of iniquity, the voice of the Dragon planting thoughts in the minds and deceiving a people in the region to corrupt God's Word while claiming it was corrupted before rightly transmitted centuries ago. It plants conflict against the Jews, yet its unleashed hunger for power and conquer leaves it many times unorganized and weak. The perfect enemy to be able to defeat that has a Satanic hatred of the people the Dragon is really trying to deceive, God's chosen people. He will pretend to bring them back to YHWH for a season because his ultimate end is destruction and he will prove it to many in the defeat of Israel's enemies in many of the very places God's Word prophesies the Messiah to defeat them. It will be a powerful deception for many because no longer will Israel be tolerating the murder against her people for merely existing in the land of their birthright and worshiping in the temple they were instructed to by God. This army will be unstoppable and won't be swayed by the protestations of the world to her effectiveness. We're getting a taste of that now as Israel rightly deals with the hand they were dealt. If that was for bringing red heifers into Israel, imagine when the false christ begins building the temple and takes authority from the Waqf. My guess is they won't stand for any attack because of this and we will see what a righteous army accomplishes in defeating her enemies.
But that's not the end because 7 of those 10 will defer and ultimately the 3 defeated kings will be replaced and they too will give their power over to the beast for a time because God puts it in their hearts to do His will until He accomplishes everything He wills. Note that they are responsible for destroying Jerusalem and burning her with fire in the end though. They still hate Israel, they just respect power and Israel is going to show her power in her being undefeatable. And the world will wonder after the beast and worship the Dragon who gave his power and authority to him. Perhaps the image of the beast is the channel through which the Dragon gets the worship he so desires.
I could be wrong, but time will tell. I suspect we will continue to see the righteous reaction of Israel to her enemies and for a season her enemies will quiet down. The political climate of the world will continue to move toward Israel in subtle ways and if my understanding is right, come first fruits 2027 a person perceived in Israel to be Elijah will turn the hearts of the people toward God, maybe with the Ark of the Covenant, and an orthodox leader from the tribe of Judah and the line of David will further turn the hearts of the people back to the Mosaic Covenant and establish the plan to rebuild the temple and then respond with fury to the region's reaction to that plan. For the next 3.5 years to Yom Kippur 2030 there will be wars and rumors of wars, the Middle East will change completely and Israel will change their times and laws to keep the statutes of Torah as a nation with a king who goes to battle for them and defeats their enemies, the Islamic nations that hate them. Much of the silent majority will begin to feel they can speak up and a perceived alliance with Israel will become apparent around the world as even some Christians wonder if this false christ might be the establishment of the Messianic Kingdom and maybe that guy 2,000 years ago they've heard about loses credibility over this man living before their eyes does miracles and brings justice. It will feel good after the chaotic time where good was called evil and evil good before it. Where it seemed the vocal minority was taking over the world with chaos, but it was all silenced with justice.
Matthew 24:23-27 "Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
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FX
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Post by FX on Nov 21, 2024 6:17:14 GMT
Bonjour Watchman, No disrespect, but I believe you are!  There are many gaps in your interpretation. For instance, you claim that the antichrist will be heralded as a Messiah figure by the Jews, yet there is no such concept in the Scriptures! The antichrist will come and wage war against the Jews when he invades their land. There is no prior period in which the Jews are deceived into believing that this figure is their Messiah. Regarding the Temple, the Scriptures mention only three temples, with the third being the one built by the Mashiah during the Millennium. Therefore, there can be no third temple before the return of Yeshua. That said, if the sacrifices were to resume in a litteral sense, it is more likely that they would take place on an altar or within a temporary structure, such as a tabernacle. If the timeline of Messiah 2030 is accurate - and so far, I haven’t identified any flaws in their interpretations, which appear to be 100% sound - these sacrifices would likely resume in Spring 2027 and be very short-lived, lasting only a few days at most. This event, known as the abomination of desolation, along with the fall of Jerusalem, will mark the beginning of the Gog and Magog war (led b a Turkish coalition, including Iran), also referred to as the Great Tribulation. This period will last for 3.5 years and culminate at Harmageddon, where Yeshua’s armies (including us, in our glorified bodies) will defeat the antichrist and his forces in Autumn 2030. Yahweh will use this Islamic invasion of Israel to chastise Judah. He will also use Muslims worldwide to chastise Ephraim, the other part of Israel - Christians. When Jerusalem falls to Islam, all hell will break loose wherever there are Muslims on earth. They will rally behind the cause of the antichrist (a Mahdi figure) and initiate a worldwide jihad, killing thousands. What we witnessed on October 7th in Israel will happen in towns near you. The intensity of the Great Tribulation will likely be proportional to the Muslim population in a given region. Things will be dire in Europe, though perhaps less so in many parts of the United States. When one understands that Ha-Satan's final card is Islam, and that events both begin and culminate in the Middle East, this becomes the most plausible scenario. I could be wrong, but time will tell.  Be blessed! FX |
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