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Post by josie on Aug 15, 2024 12:51:54 GMT
If the beast system and antichrist are Islamic, how are they going to deceive even the elect if possible? Or maybe the antichrist spirit has been at work throughout the church age and has already deceived so many Christians. What if the deceived are those who worship on Sunday and don't follow the Biblical feasts? Is Sunday worship the mark of the beast? Will Sunday worshippers see the kingdom of God?
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Post by FX on Aug 15, 2024 14:06:16 GMT
Shalom Josie Some will, some won’t. Abba Yahweh looks at our hearts first and foremost. There are genuine saved believers in Sunday churches, who do not know better. Because of their lack of knowledge, a lot of Sunday worshipers will most probably be saved, but they may be least in the Kingdom of God, because they did not practice and teach Torah (see Matthew 5.17-20). Actually, the true elects won’t be deceived. This is a form of deception, for sure, since this is not what the Bible commands. This is what the Adventists would have us to believe, but it’s not so! First and foremost, the mark of the beast is spiritual. Time will tell, but if the antichrist comes from Islam, the mark of the beast could very well be the allegiance and conversion to Islam. Hope this helps. Be blessed, FX
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Post by lookingup on Sept 5, 2024 12:23:36 GMT
This is what the Adventists would have us to believe, but it’s not so! First and foremost, the mark of the beast is spiritual. Time will tell, but if the antichrist comes from Islam, the mark of the beast could very well be the allegiance and conversion to Islam. Hope this helps. Be blessed, FX Here are some thoughts on this: The "mark" is propbably directly related to one of the commandments of God because Rev 14:11-12 contrasts those who took the mark to those who keep the commandments: 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Consider Daniel 3: Shadrach, Meshack and Abneggo were under the decree to worship the golden image. They refused to break the second commandment about not bowing down and worshipping idols. Consider Daniel 6: Daniel was under a decree to pray only to the king of Babylon. He refused to break the first commandment about not having any other gods before Me. These appear to foreshadow the future mark of the beast- a decree to break one of God's commandments. Commandments 1-4 are the commandments directly related to our relationship with Him. The fourth commandment does seem to be the most logical candidate for a future decree. Once someone is aware that the Roman church "changed" the day of worship from the Sabbath to Sunday, and they choose to observe Sunday rather than the Sabbath, this is an act of recognizing the authority of the man over the authority of God. This IS a spiritual issue. Daniel 2-7 is a written in a chiastic structure: Daniel 2 and 7 outline the series of 4 kingdoms: the rise of spiritual Babylon. Daniel 3 and 6 are decrees of false worship. Daniel 4 and 5 are the fall of BabylonA parallel with true versus false worship preceding the fall of Babylon is found in Rev. 14: 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.The fourth commandment seems to be alluded to in Rev. 14:7, above. Further evidence is that a harlot in the Old Testament always described God's people in state of apostacy and idolatry- it never was used to represent a heathen religion. The harlot in Revelation is "Babylon the Mother of Harlots". Rome considers herself to be the mother church and there are many protestant churches that unknowlingly keep her pagan traditions: Sunday observance, Halloween, etc. Side note: Ever wonder what rabbits and painted eggs have to do with the death and resurrection of the Messiah? Or, why do we not celebrate on Passover and Firstfruits? Those feasts coincided with the exact days of His death and resurrection.
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Post by FX on Sept 5, 2024 15:56:31 GMT
Shalom Looking up, You should forget about Rome or the Catholic Church being the harlot of the book of Revelation. By biblical definition, this is just impossible! John is pretty clear in 1 John 2:22, where he speaks about the Antichrist and how he denies both the Father and the Son: "Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son." (1 John 2:22, NIV) This verse identifies the spirit of the antichrist as one that denies the relationship and divinity of both God the Father and Jesus Christ, His Son. There are many reproches we could make to the Catholic Church with all its pagan practises, but one thing for sure: it does not deny the Father nor the Son. Think about it! There are plenty of other reasons as well. If you want to understand what's coming in the near future, you would do well to adjust your compass looking East, the Middle East. That is where everything is set to take place. If you wanna dig deeper, a good place where to start would be: midnightwatcher.comBe blessed!
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Post by lookingup on Sept 8, 2024 13:02:57 GMT
John is pretty clear in 1 John 2:22, where he speaks about the Antichrist and how he denies both the Father and the Son: "Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son." (1 John 2:22, NIV) This verse identifies the spirit of the antichrist as one that denies the relationship and divinity of both God the Father and Jesus Christ, His Son. The Papacy does deny Christ and the Father in that they say that grace is dispensed by the Pope through his "Treasury of Merit" (Good works of Jesus, Mary, "Saints"), they claim the Pope is Vicar of God, the Head of the Church, and many other blasphemous statements. It is a counterfeit that appears to be Christian but in reality, denies Christ. The Roman church fits the Biblical attributes of Babylon. Islam does not: Daniel chapters 2, 7, and 8 show the sequence of 4 literal kingdoms that precede the Little Horn: 1. Babylon 2. Medo-Persia 3. Greece 4. Rome The Roman Church directly descended from the series of kingdoms in Daniel. Islam did not not come after Rome, the Roman Church did. Revelation, Daniel, and elsewhere describe an end time spiritual Babylon. All of the attributes of Babylon, Little Horn/Beast fit the Roman Catholic Church Papacy: - Makes war with the saints: During the dark ages, millions were slaughtered during the Inquisitions in Europe.
- Blasphemous: "“The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, ” Cities Petrus Bertanoushe
- Seeks to change times and laws: The Papacy "changed" Sabbath to Sunday, Passover to Easter, etc. Islam did not do that.
- She is a Harlot: Every time Harlot is used to describe a people in the Bible, it is always when God's people adopt pagan idolatry. Islam does not fit that.
- Rules over the kings of the earth: World leaders seek audience with the Pope at the Vatican, not with Islamic leaders.
In Daniel Chapter 1, Nebuchadnezzar captured the "vessels" from the Temple of the true God and carried them off into the temple of his gods. Spiritual Babylon has captured many of those who seek to follow the true God, and led them to idolatrous worship in this counterfeit "Christian" religion.
Again, the Roman Church fits all of the typology, not Islam.
More on making war with the saints: The Roman Church has a military order called the Jesuits. The leader of this order has the title "General". Their primary objective is to cause the world to forget what was widely known during the Protestant Reformation: the Papacy is the spirit of antichrist. They go to great lengths to cause confusion and to try to come up with alternative theories to divert attention away from the truth. According to their oath, they are authroized to lie and kill to achieve their goals.
Yes, I do think that Islam is a sword that has a role in end time events however it is not Babylon.
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Post by FX on Sept 8, 2024 16:29:07 GMT
Shalom Lookingup, Whatever the Roman Catholic Church Papacy did in the past is irrelevant. In order to fit the Biblical description of the harlot of Revelation, the Roman Catholic Church Papacy MUST become the future entity that will behead believers during the 3.5 years of the great tribulation. So if Messiah 2030's chronology is correct, you want us to believe that in just a few years, the Roman Catholic Church Papacy will turn into a global monster, calling for Catholics from all around the world to take the sword and kill believers. Are you serious? Even if Pope Francis were to call for Catholics to turn on their Christian neighbors and kill them, what percentage of them would comply? Come on, give us a guess!
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