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Post by t on Sept 18, 2024 19:55:11 GMT
ty, what a beautiful, amazing, and wonderous gift it is! i reckon He has plans for me to get thru what is to come!
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Post by Shelli on Sept 18, 2024 22:30:03 GMT
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Post by midnightwatcher on Sept 19, 2024 18:21:23 GMT
Hey MW, good to see u again. I know we've talked about this before and I've researched the things you gave me, but after much consideration I still believe that this is a physical temple that they are talking about. Hi brother, I've no issue with the view that a physical temple will be rebuilt. What I would advise to anyone who currently believes that the temple will be physical, however, is to also be aware that there's a possibility it will not be. Prophecy, intentionally cryptic by Divine design, will often be fulfilled in ways we don't expect. In Matthew 24, the context is the disciples asking Jesus for a "sign" of His coming and of the end of the world. They linked the two together and actually thought it was going to happen in their lifetime, so they wanted something that they could visualize to let them know that the time of Jesus' return was close. After Jesus gives them a general overall condition of what things will be like, He then gives them a very specific event that will start the last 3 1/2 years; the great tribulation period. Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) ... Verse 15 refers to Daniel 12:11 Da 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. What Jesus is doing is giving us, the people alive at the end, a physical/visual event that will take place so that we can: 1) Know the exact time of where we are in the prophetic timeline, and 2) Save people physically whose names are written in the book.... He gives them a sign, so that when they SEE it, those people living in Judaea, can flee to the mountains ... I agree, it is something we will see. But notice that Jesus does not mention the physical temple when we see "the abomination of desolation." He simply mentions "the holy place." As I noted in the article, Daniel’s prophecies often spoke about the last days leading up to the Second Coming of Christ. Some will point to these prophecies and understandably conclude that since Daniel appeared to speak of a physical temple and physical daily offerings that the last days temple must therefore be a physical temple in Jerusalem. As I've noted in the previous posts above, however, the New Testament is quite clear that the “temple of God” today is the Church and that we, as believers, now offer up the sacrifice of praise continually (Romans 12:1; Hebrews 13:5; 1 Peter 2:5). Even if the prophet Daniel himself believed the prophecies he was given of the end times referred to a physical temple would not change this reality. The revelation that the Church would be the third temple of God was progressive and prophets were evidently not always granted a full understanding of the prophecies they were given, which is quite apparent in Daniel 12 itself: Daniel 12:8-10, “ Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, ‘My lord, what shall be the end of these things?’ And he said, ‘Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.’” Even though Daniel was not always granted full understanding, he was faithful in recording the prophecies he had received. Not knowing that the temple of God would be the people of God in the time of the end, however, would have conceivably been somewhat bewildering to Daniel if he assumed the attempted defilement of a physical temple at the time of the end. This could very well have been one of the reasons why Daniel did not understand all that he was prophesying. According to the words of the Apostle Paul in Acts 17:24, a physical temple today would be little more than an empty building, completely void of the presence of God. From what I'm reading in Scripture, I am sure that Jesus would have known this and would in no way have been referring to a new 21st century physical temple -- built by the hands of those who still reject Him as Messiah -- as the “holy place” in Matthew 24:15 when referring to the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Daniel. A building absent of the Spirit of God is just another building. But the “holy temple” that is the Church in which the Spirit of God dwells today, however, is another matter entirely. This may have been why Jesus said “let the reader understand” in Matthew 24:15 — because Daniel did not: Matthew 24:15, “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel — let the reader understand –” Ephesians 2:19-22, “… you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” If Jesus in Matthew 24 and the Apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2 are referring to the holy place that is the new Spirit-filled Temple of the living God — the Church — then it may be that all we need to watch for in this respect is “someone” of great importance who arises upon the world stage to stand up against the Ekklesia of God. This new spiritual offensive could even commence as a physical offensive against Jews and Christians at the Temple Mount itself whereby this “someone” would proclaim himself to be something that only the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob can lay claim to. What could that be? One obvious possibility is this one ...
Isaiah 43:3,11, 46:9b, “For I am Yahweh your God, The Holy One of Israel, your Savior ... And there is no savior besides Me ... I am God, and there is no one like Me.”
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Post by glen on Sept 25, 2024 18:07:49 GMT
just wondering if there is any scriptural insight about those of us who are living thru this "end of days" versus those who have died before us and won't have to experience the tribulation horrors? are "we" - as believers - held to the same measure of faith as those who have died before us but didn't have to experience what is to come? do you know what i mean? it may seem like a strange question, but i've often wondered whether those who are alive during GT are experiencing a "next level tests", namely the incarnation of satan and his satanic lies and propaganda, as opposed to those generations who lived in other times. Hiya T, good question. The ultimate "test" that a believer will face is, when faced with the fact that you will be killed for your belief, will you stand firm in your faith? Christians have been faced with that very same issue since Jesus was here on earth. Some of the apostles died as martyrs (Peter crucified and I believe James was sawn in half), Christians were fed to the lions in the coliseum, burnt at the stake during the inquisition, and have been murdered in various other ways for 2 thousand years. What will be different is that during the GT this will be happening world wide rather than in specific pockets of humanity. It will be an outright assault on any one who puts their faith in Jesus Christ as the ONLY WAY to be saved. My personal take on the mark of the beast is that a person will have to worship the beast as God in order to receive the mark, that is why worshiping and receiving are always mentioned together when talking about receiving the mark. Thus, if a Christian, in order to save their physical life, worships the beast as God to receive the mark, they will be condemned to the lake of fire. I believe this is what is talked about when the bible says 2Th 2:3 ¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; The word for "falling away" is apostasia and means - a departure from the faith, which is exactly what he says in 1 Timothy. You can't depart from something unless you were attached to it to begin with. I know most people will disagree with me on this, but God opened my eyes to this fact a few years ago, and after much study on this, I am firmly convinced that a Christian can forfeit their salvation. Whether you agree with me or not, my advice and encouragement is, to never EVER deny Jesus Christ. You need to resolve now in your heart, that you believe 100% that if you were to die for your faith, that God WILL resurrect you with a glorified body and that you will spend eternity with Him. That is why I always encourage people to stand strong in the faith, because that is the "hour of temptation" that is coming upon the whole world; the temptation to depart from your faith so that you can preserve your physical life. So stand strong, finish the race, keep the faith
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Post by glen on Sept 25, 2024 18:26:29 GMT
Interesting indeed, thanks for that video.
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Post by t on Sept 26, 2024 12:55:28 GMT
thank you, glen, i appreciate your response. t
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