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Post by Alexis on Apr 10, 2024 13:39:28 GMT
What do you think about the AC being a Muslim, the AC beast system being Islam?
I have studied Islamic eschatology and there seems to be a demonic antithesis of the Bible to their religion, making it in fact the AC beast system that John speaks about.
They believe in a Mahdi (Messiah/12th Imam), Jesus (Essa) & the Dajjal (Antichrist/false messiah).
The interesting thing is that they are flipped roles from biblical eschatology.
Antichrist, False Prophet, Jesus
Mahdi, Jesus, Dajjal
Therefore, what we believe is to come first as bad, they see as good.
Not to mention that when Jesus says that when you hear of someone claiming to be me in the wilderness(desert) or inner room don’t go look, don’t believe it. I believe the man Jesus is speaking of is in fact the false prophet who will claim to be the real Jesus as a Muslim. Leading many as described astray and if possible even the elect. He will do signs and wonders, even fire from heaven and all the lukewarm Christians, those not awake, those who don’t know Jesus voice or how He will come back will be deceived.
I am almost certain that the AC will be a Muslim with Jewish connections and the false prophet will be fake Jesus who many many people will fall for and believe. I believe that the Dajjal is the real Jesus who comes at the end of the tribulation. In the Hadith it also mentions that much of the followers will become lots of Muslim women(leave religion) and thousands of Jews.
Islam is a counterfeit and subverted various of the Bible. Many do not realize that the revived Ottoman Empire is the final beast system. Though I do believe that it is the false religion and most of the stuff in the Quran/Hadith will not come true, I do believe that in order for Satan to deceive 2 billion people into his sick schemes, some of the stuff I mentioned in their book will come to pass which will allow Satan to steal/kill/destroy billions of souls…
This is really just scratching the surface of the demonic antithesis but I think it is important that Christians know what they are dealing with.
I pray for discernment for you all and myself to be watchful and awake about the things unfolding in the Middle East and the things to come. Watch Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iran.
Maranatha!
-Alexis
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Post by beckywc on Apr 11, 2024 1:38:25 GMT
question: Revelation 13 speaks of a beast that rises from the sea; based on Daniel wouldn't this be a beastly empire and the beast that rises from the land (false prophet) the antichrist?
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Post by Eliseus on Apr 25, 2024 15:21:23 GMT
What do you think about the AC being a Muslim, the AC beast system being Islam? I have studied Islamic eschatology and there seems to be a demonic antithesis of the Bible to their religion, making it in fact the AC beast system that John speaks about. They believe in a Mahdi (Messiah/12th Imam), Jesus (Essa) & the Dajjal (Antichrist/false messiah). The interesting thing is that they are flipped roles from biblical eschatology. Antichrist, False Prophet, Jesus Mahdi, Jesus, Dajjal Therefore, what we believe is to come first as bad, they see as good. Not to mention that when Jesus says that when you hear of someone claiming to be me in the wilderness(desert) or inner room don’t go look, don’t believe it. I believe the man Jesus is speaking of is in fact the false prophet who will claim to be the real Jesus as a Muslim. Leading many as described astray and if possible even the elect. He will do signs and wonders, even fire from heaven and all the lukewarm Christians, those not awake, those who don’t know Jesus voice or how He will come back will be deceived. I am almost certain that the AC will be a Muslim with Jewish connections and the false prophet will be fake Jesus who many many people will fall for and believe. I believe that the Dajjal is the real Jesus who comes at the end of the tribulation. In the Hadith it also mentions that much of the followers will become lots of Muslim women(leave religion) and thousands of Jews. Islam is a counterfeit and subverted various of the Bible. Many do not realize that the revived Ottoman Empire is the final beast system. Though I do believe that it is the false religion and most of the stuff in the Quran/Hadith will not come true, I do believe that in order for Satan to deceive 2 billion people into his sick schemes, some of the stuff I mentioned in their book will come to pass which will allow Satan to steal/kill/destroy billions of souls… This is really just scratching the surface of the demonic antithesis but I think it is important that Christians know what they are dealing with. I pray for discernment for you all and myself to be watchful and awake about the things unfolding in the Middle East and the things to come. Watch Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iran. Maranatha! -Alexis Revelation 12:9 is clear that the Antichrist will deceive the whole world, that would include self-professing Christians, people who call themselves Christian but are not true disciples...and there are many. "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven" - Matthew 7:21 and "wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." - Matthew 7:13-14. The environment would be made fertile by a season of false messiahs and false prophets who appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect (Matthew 24:23-25). I believe this aligns more with the growing New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and Dominionist camps than it does with Islam. It's important to keep in mind the goal of Satan: to peel as many away from God as possible. This is why we are warned, explicitly, over and over again about deception. Satan doesn't need to deceive Muslims, Hindus, Catholics, Mormons, etc. as they are already deceived and ripe for the grape harvest. Even the most superficial "Christians" would know and reject a world leader coming from the Muslim faith. With all of this in mind, and considering the "Great Awakening" movement that is on the rise, with prominent Christian leaders calling for Ecumenicism with Muslims, Catholics, etc., I believe the Antichrist will be a Gnostic New-Ager using the veneer of Christianity for deception. It's also important to consider Islamic Eschatology. Based on my cursory understanding, for them, Jesus comes back and fights WITH the Mahdi to defeat the dajjal (false messiah). This would also support a "Christian" looking Antichrist. I am still researching and learning so by no means do I assert any of this as fact, it's just my perspective. |
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Post by lucy on Apr 25, 2024 15:59:32 GMT
I agree with you eliseusnoir. Many scriptures hint that the son of perdition will have Hebrew and Arab ancestry, but for good success in his plans, he would also need to appeal to the whole of Christians, a man for all peoples.
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Post by midnightwatcher on Apr 25, 2024 16:47:55 GMT
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Post by midnightwatcher on Apr 25, 2024 16:52:10 GMT
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Post by Eliseus on Apr 26, 2024 11:30:32 GMT
Good article and interesting perspective, thank you. While I appreciate your well thought-out and articulated argument, and I have considered it, I remain in my position, here's why: 1) The Book of Daniel And as you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom, but some of the firmness of iron shall be in it, just as you saw iron mixed with the soft clay. And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle. As you saw the iron mixed with soft clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.
Daniel 2:41-43 |
The last kingdom, prior to the Lord's millennial kingdom, is composed of two distinctly different elements. They are bound together by a partnership or "marriage". This description is much closer to describing the Zionist "Judeo-Christian" Empire of the West than it does Islam, by almost any degree of the concept. More on that below. 2) The Book of Revelation Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great prostitute who is seated on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality, and with the wine of whose sexual immorality the dwellers on earth have become drunk.” And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality. And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth's abominations.” And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.
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The Harlot is modern day secular Israel, more specifically Apostate Jerusalem. Jerusalem is repeatedly called a harlot throughout scripture for worshipping other gods and betraying the Lord: Judges 2:17 Judges 8:33 1 Chronicles 5:25 2 Chronicles 21:11-13 Isaiah 1:21 Jeremiah 3:1 Jeremiah 3:6 and more... Israel is the only nation the Lord would call a harlot because its the only nation on the planet that He has ever had a covenant with. Jeffery Epstein was just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Mossad's intelligence gathering and leverage operations. More comes out every day about human trafficking and sexual immorality of Jewish controlled industries in Music and Hollywood. To this very day, the Biden Administration is facilitating human sex trafficking on a scale never seen before, with the assistance of US Federal agencies who are ultimately beholden to the central banks, which is a tool of Zionism. The Biden Administration itself is a puppet regime of Israel. Again, all of this is much closer to describing the "Judeo-Christian" West than it does Islam. There is much more but I will summarize here as I'm pressed for time: The Harlot rides the Beast, this represents the Zionist Freemasonic/Central-Bank/New World Order that has been using the military-prowess, work-ethic and man-power of Western Civilization (specifically England and America, America itself being based on Occult Gnostic ideals of Freedom) to spread their Central Bank network all over the world. The Iron and Clay kingdom in Daniel that doesn't hold. Eventually, the Beast destroys the Harlot, which is perfectly in line with God's repeated use of raising gentile armies to punish Israel (Assyria, Babylon, Rome). Americans are learning all of the lies they've been fed and this is leading to a hatred for Israel. The rebellious left wing radicalism in American universities, that Israel has used to weaken America and American sovereignty, has been hijacked by Islam is now a golem Israel has lost control of and I'm sure it will play a role in riling up the Beast to eventually destroy the Harlot (Israel). As I said, I'm pressed for time so I have to end here, this could be a whole book with citations and references. But I'm happy to clarify anything or answer questions. |
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Post by gentlespirit18 on Apr 26, 2024 14:32:38 GMT
Good article and interesting perspective, thank you. While I appreciate your well thought-out and articulated argument, and I have considered it, I remain in my position, here's why: 1) The Book of Daniel And as you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom, but some of the firmness of iron shall be in it, just as you saw iron mixed with the soft clay. And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle. As you saw the iron mixed with soft clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.
Daniel 2:41-43 |
The last kingdom, prior to the Lord's millennial kingdom, is composed of two distinctly different elements. They are bound together by a partnership or "marriage". This description is much closer to describing the Zionist "Judeo-Christian" Empire of the West than it does Islam, by almost any degree of the concept. More on that below. 2) The Book of Revelation Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great prostitute who is seated on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality, and with the wine of whose sexual immorality the dwellers on earth have become drunk.” And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality. And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth's abominations.” And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.
Revelation 17:1-6 |
The Harlot is modern day secular Israel, more specifically Apostate Jerusalem. Jerusalem is repeatedly called a harlot throughout scripture for worshipping other gods and betraying the Lord: Judges 2:17 Judges 8:33 1 Chronicles 5:25 2 Chronicles 21:11-13 Isaiah 1:21 Jeremiah 3:1 Jeremiah 3:6 and more... Israel is the only nation the Lord would call a harlot because its the only nation on the planet that He has ever had a covenant with. Jeffery Epstein was just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Mossad's intelligence gathering and leverage operations. More comes out every day about human trafficking and sexual immorality of Jewish controlled industries in Music and Hollywood. To this very day, the Biden Administration is facilitating human sex trafficking on a scale never seen before, with the assistance of US Federal agencies who are ultimately beholden to the central banks, which is a tool of Zionism. The Biden Administration itself is a puppet regime of Israel. Again, all of this is much closer to describing the "Judeo-Christian" West than it does Islam. There is much more but I will summarize here as I'm pressed for time: The Harlot rides the Beast, this represents the Zionist Freemasonic/Central-Bank/New World Order that has been using the military-prowess, work-ethic and man-power of Western Civilization (specifically England and America, America itself being based on Occult Gnostic ideals of Freedom) to spread their Central Bank network all over the world. The Iron and Clay kingdom in Daniel that doesn't hold. Eventually, the Beast destroys the Harlot, which is perfectly in line with God's repeated use of raising gentile armies to punish Israel (Assyria, Babylon, Rome). Americans are learning all of the lies they've been fed and this is leading to a hatred for Israel. The rebellious left wing radicalism in American universities, that Israel has used to weaken America and American sovereignty, has been hijacked by Islam is now a golem Israel has lost control of and I'm sure it will play a role in riling up the Beast to eventually destroy the Harlot (Israel). As I said, I'm pressed for time so I have to end here, this could be a whole book with citations and references. But I'm happy to clarify anything or answer questions. The approach you propose takes the Scriptures completely out of context with a degree of hostility towards the Jewish people integrated. You are seeing full blown satanism in disguise as politics. It’s these types of viewpoints that fueled the Holocaust and now the increasing violence against Jewish people all over the world right now. This is a horrible way to refer to Jewish people even corrupt ones. You are painting way too broad a brush with verbiage and are really out of touch with what is happening |
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Post by Eliseus on Apr 26, 2024 16:03:45 GMT
The least you could do is be specific. What exactly is horrible? The interpretation of scripture or the description of reality? Do you clutch your pearls when you read Matthew 23 or do you skip over that one?
I'm also more than willing to criticize and call-out the superficial, shallow "Christians" who espouse false doctrine via Dominionism/Theonomy, NAR and Deliverance Ministry, under the Satanic Occult ideals of "Freedom" from the Enlightenment, with their idolization of the US Constitution and Trump, but something tells me that won't upset you as much. Curious.
The point was to identify, using scripture (Clay and Iron Kingdom, Harlot riding the Beast), that the Beast comes from the "Christian" side, NOT Islam. Is there a "Judeo-Islam" west? How about a "Judeo-Islam" middle east? No, there is not.
Is it possible Islam is mixed up in this someway? Absolutely. I believe it will be the Final judgement for Israel and it's behavior, a global attack. Scripture says so (despite synecdoche).
Is it possible that there is some kind of Islamic action that sparks mass forced conversions throughout the west (The Great Apostasy of 2 Thessalonians 2:3) that leads people to follow the teachings of demons as stated in 1 Timothy 4:1? Very possible. But if you're not mature enough to handle a frank conversation about reality, then I wonder if you won't take the mark when a gun is put to your head (which is possible, even more so if midnightwatcher's scenario comes to pass).
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Post by lucy on Apr 26, 2024 18:20:44 GMT
I regret saying I agreed with eliseusnoir's original post. I don't see eye to eye with him/her on the harlot, nor do I care for the aggressive attitude, which isn't of benefit to this forum.
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Post by zach on Apr 26, 2024 23:22:32 GMT
Gentilespirit18 was too aggressive as well. Let's either debate the points directly or agree to disagree.
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Post by Eliseus on Apr 27, 2024 11:04:38 GMT
I regret saying I agreed with eliseusnoir's original post. I don't see eye to eye with him/her on the harlot, nor do I care for the aggressive attitude, which isn't of benefit to this forum. I was under the impression this forum was for those who were serious in their pursuit of understanding end-times, " a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will again" Matthew 24:21. Final judgement. That's serious business with eternal, existential consequences. Which part, specifically, was aggressive within that context? Or were you both just offended? If midnightwatch's Islam perspective/theory ends up being accurate, do you think they'll be polite and ask nicely? Or what about an angry, rebellious populous uprising sweeping across the country and the world, as I suspect? "And their (two witnesses) dead bodies will lie on the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified." Revelation 11:8 Where was Jesus crucified? Jerusalem, in Israel. "For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled. The woman whom you saw (the Harlot) is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth." Revelation 17:17 Given the state of the World, particularly now, and in consideration of a 2030 second coming, it seems as clear as day what the scripture is saying. If there is an alternative perspective to the scripture I'm more than willing to listen and eagerly await to hear it. Because I am a believer. I believe everything in the Bible literally and take this very seriously and I can't think of anything that anyone should take more seriously. |
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Post by gentlespirit18 on Apr 28, 2024 0:11:52 GMT
The least you could do is be specific. What exactly is horrible? The interpretation of scripture or the description of reality? Do you clutch your pearls when you read Matthew 23 or do you skip over that one? I'm also more than willing to criticize and call-out the superficial, shallow "Christians" who espouse false doctrine via Dominionism/Theonomy, NAR and Deliverance Ministry, under the Satanic Occult ideals of "Freedom" from the Enlightenment, with their idolization of the US Constitution and Trump, but something tells me that won't upset you as much. Curious. The point was to identify, using scripture (Clay and Iron Kingdom, Harlot riding the Beast), that the Beast comes from the "Christian" side, NOT Islam. Is there a "Judeo-Islam" west? How about a "Judeo-Islam" middle east? No, there is not. Is it possible Islam is mixed up in this someway? Absolutely. I believe it will be the Final judgement for Israel and it's behavior, a global attack. Scripture says so (despite synecdoche). Is it possible that there is some kind of Islamic action that sparks mass forced conversions throughout the west (The Great Apostasy of 2 Thessalonians 2:3) that leads people to follow the teachings of demons as stated in 1 Timothy 4:1? Very possible. But if you're not mature enough to handle a frank conversation about reality, then I wonder if you won't take the mark when a gun is put to your head (which is possible, even more so if midnightwatcher's scenario comes to pass). “Israel is the only nation the Lord would call a harlot because its the only nation on the planet that He has ever had a covenant with. Jeffery Epstein was just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Mossad's intelligence gathering and leverage operations. More comes out every day about human trafficking and sexual immorality of Jewish controlled industries in Music and Hollywood. To this very day, the Biden Administration is facilitating human sex trafficking on a scale never seen before, with the assistance of US Federal agencies who are ultimately beholden to the central banks, which is a tool of Zionism. The Biden Administration itself is a puppet regime of Israel. Again, all of this is much closer to describing the "Judeo-Christian" West than it does Islam” I hear tons of anger towards Jewish people, Israel Gods chosen people. The gifts and callings of God are irrevocable (Scripture). The statements you make implicate Judaism and its people as the root of all the different problems you name. There are plenty of democratic republican independent politicians who mascarade as Christians that are over their heads in human sex trafficking and even darker things that there could be darker things then sex trafficking and satanic pedophelia. I am fully aware of the corruption in some key popular Jewish figures as well. I am a Jewish believer in Jesus who has suffered much for my faith in Jesus and also being Jewish. What I am reading from you fits in line with replacement theology and some of the “anon” philosophies that do not line up with Scripture. My heart is not to be unkind but to be direct in exposing antisemitism and replacement theologies that go well in hand. The comment about me taking the mark of the beast is very sad. I would hope that you would encourage fellow brothers and sisters in Jesus to stand firm in their faith. It would take hours that I don’t have to address every point you made in regard to the Jewish people. I would kindly ask that you consider reading up on replacement theology how it contributes to the stronghold of Antisemitism. Imagine people who are Jewish coming on to these forums. Would these comments of yours draw them to Jesus or reinforce their defenses and push them away? It came across as though there was a lot of judgment and hatred inside. Remember the fruit of spirit and be mindful of who will be reading your posts. I have Jewish people I know who I am sharing Messiah 2030 with as well as fellow Christians. |
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Post by lucy on Apr 28, 2024 2:54:51 GMT
Adonai resists the proud and gives grace to the humble. HalleluYah Amen.
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Post by The Messiah 2030 Project on Apr 28, 2024 4:01:52 GMT
I regret saying I agreed with eliseusnoir's original post. I don't see eye to eye with him/her on the harlot, nor do I care for the aggressive attitude, which isn't of benefit to this forum. I was under the impression this forum was for those who were serious in their pursuit of understanding end-times, " a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will again" Matthew 24:21. Final judgement. That's serious business with eternal, existential consequences. Which part, specifically, was aggressive within that context? Or were you both just offended? If midnightwatch's Islam perspective/theory ends up being accurate, do you think they'll be polite and ask nicely? Or what about an angry, rebellious populous uprising sweeping across the country and the world, as I suspect? "And their (two witnesses) dead bodies will lie on the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified." Revelation 11:8 Where was Jesus crucified? Jerusalem, in Israel. "For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled. The woman whom you saw (the Harlot) is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth." Revelation 17:17 Given the state of the World, particularly now, and in consideration of a 2030 second coming, it seems as clear as day what the scripture is saying. If there is an alternative perspective to the scripture I'm more than willing to listen and eagerly await to hear it. Because I am a believer. I believe everything in the Bible literally and take this very seriously and I can't think of anything that anyone should take more seriously. Let’s consider bringing the discussion back within the operating agreement of the forum. OPERATING AGREEMENT -> The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. |
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