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Post by FX on Sept 12, 2024 4:56:19 GMT
Shalom, This week two reports caught my attention. One was from Donald Trump telling his supporters in Wisconsin: “If I don't win this election, Israel, with comrade Kamala Harris at the helm of the United States, is doomed. Israel will disappear. One year, two years. Israel will no longer exist”.
If Messiah 2030’s chronology happens to be correct (and the next big date being Spring 2027), then Trump may only be a few months off his prediction. It would actually and exactly be 2 years and seven months from now before Israel disappears or let’s say before the fall of Jerusalem. IMHO, one of the key markers which will confirm Messiah 2030’s chronology will be the fall of Jerusalem (or at least half of the city). We can easily come to this conclusion using the following 3 Scriptures: 1- Zechariah 14.2
I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
2- Revelation 11.2
But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city [Jerusalem] for 42 months.
3- Revelation 13.5, 7a
The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months… It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them.
We know from Daniel that the period of 3,5 years marks the duration of the tribulation, the second and last half of Daniel 70th’s week. When we put things back into its Middle-Eastern context, “ all the nations” in Zechariah 14.2 clearly means all the surrounding nations and NOT every single nation of the world contrary to what it is commonly taught. We have at least three witnesses to testify it: Zechariah (see Zechariah 12.12; 14.14, where the prophet specifically talks about the surrounding nations), Joel (see Joel 3.11-12, where the prophet specifically talks about the surrounding nations) and Ezekiel (see Ezekiel 28.24-26, where the prophet specifically talks about the surrounding nations). The second report that caught my attention is from Erdogan: “Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday Islamic countries should form an alliance against what he called “the growing threat of expansionism” from Israel”
(see www.ekathimerini.com/politics/foreign-policy/1248007) Of course, this is not the first time that we hear Erdogan threatening Israël (going as far as to say that he will attack Israel), but the words he just used are interesting: Islamic countries forming an alliance against Israel. Does the Bible predict such thing under the lead of Turkey? It actually does and it perfectly matches Zechariah, Joel and Ezekiel’s prophecies about the surrounding nations attacking Israel. Once again, we have at least three witnesses: 1- Ezekiel in Ezekiel 38. Ezekiel 38 speaks of a coalition of nations led by present-day Turkey (not Russia!) that will attack Israel in the end times. 2- Joel in Joel 3:6 speaks of ‘the children of Judah and Jerusalem’ sold by ‘Tyre and Sidon’ (Lebanon/Hezbollah) and by the ‘Philistines’ (Gaza/Hamas) to the ‘children of Yavan’ (Turkey). 3- Zechariah in Zechariah 9:13 shows Yavan (Turkey) and Israel (Judah and Ephraim) fighting in the context of the end times and the return of Yeshua. Furthermore, we know for a fact that Satan’s very throne is in Turkey. Revelation 2:13 reveals the precise location of Satan's throne in the city of Pergamum in Asia Minor (modern-day Turkey). This supports the identity of the last kingdom of the beast as being a revived Ottoman Empire. Whether the antichrist is a man or satan himself, I think we can make a very strong biblical case of the implication of Turkey in the actual biblical end time scenario. To me, the above looks the most plausible end time unfolding of the Biblical narrative. And the fact that we have actual Turkish protagonists speak out what they intend to do (i.e.: forming an alliance of Islamic countries to attack Israel) just emphasis the biblical reality for all those who have eyes to see! If the above interpretations are correct, that is: 1- The fall of Jerusalem is the marker of the beginning of the 3,5 years of the great tribulation 2- The invaders are made up of the surrounding Muslim nations lead by Turkey (Ezekiel 38 indicates that Iran will also be part of the Turkish lead coalition) Then it has very important implications: a Muslim beast, a local reign of the antichrist and a local implementation of the mark of the beast (at least at the beginning of the tribulation. Islam could then conquer some Western countries?). Now what about the timing? Can we see the above taking place in the next 2,7 years? Trump is right: If he doesn't win this election, Israel, with comrade Kamala Harris at the helm of the United States, is doomed. With Kamala on board the above biblical prophecies have a VERY HIGH PROBABILITY to unfold in the next couple of years. Why? Because those behind KH hate Israel and prefer to side with Israel’s enemies. A second Democrate presidency will abandon Israel to its enemies. This would explain why Israel will fall. Without the US’ support (weapons) and protection, Israel will be overwhelmed. A lot of people say that the coming US election is paramount for the future of the US and the world. They are absolutely right. I would just add: also for the future of the unfolding of the biblical prophecies that have yet to take place. If Kamala wins, this will be another indication that Messiah 2030 chronology is highly probable. Time will tell, of course. Yahweh is sovereign. Trump may win, and Messiah 2030's chronology still be correct. One thing for sure, the next few weeks are going to be extremely interesting... Midnight watcher, do you have anything to add?  Be blessed ya'll François-Xavier |
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Post by gentlespirit18 on Sept 12, 2024 5:24:35 GMT
Shalom, This week two reports caught my attention. One was from Donald Trump telling his supporters in Wisconsin: “If I don't win this election, Israel, with comrade Kamala Harris at the helm of the United States, is doomed. Israel will disappear. One year, two years. Israel will no longer exist”.
If Messiah 2030’s chronology happens to be correct (and the next big date being Spring 2027), then Trump may only be a few months off his prediction. It would actually and exactly be 2 years and seven months from now before Israel disappears or let’s say before the fall of Jerusalem. IMHO, one of the key markers which will confirm Messiah 2030’s chronology will be the fall of Jerusalem (or at least half of the city). We can easily come to this conclusion using the following 3 Scriptures: 1- Zechariah 14.2
I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
2- Revelation 11.2
But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city [Jerusalem] for 42 months.
3- Revelation 13.5, 7a
The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months… It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them.
We know from Daniel that the period of 3,5 years marks the duration of the tribulation, the second and last half of Daniel 70th’s week. When we put things back into its Middle-Eastern context, “ all the nations” in Zechariah 14.2 clearly means all the surrounding nations and NOT every single nation of the world contrary to what it is commonly taught. We have at least three witnesses to testify it: Zechariah (see Zechariah 12.12; 14.14, where the prophet specifically talks about the surrounding nations), Joel (see Joel 3.11-12, where the prophet specifically talks about the surrounding nations) and Ezekiel (see Ezekiel 28.24-26, where the prophet specifically talks about the surrounding nations). The second report that caught my attention is from Erdogan: “Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday Islamic countries should form an alliance against what he called “the growing threat of expansionism” from Israel”
(see www.ekathimerini.com/politics/foreign-policy/1248007) Of course, this is not the first time that we hear Erdogan threatening Israël (going as far as to say that he will attack Israel), but the words he just used are interesting: Islamic countries forming an alliance against Israel. Does the Bible predict such thing under the lead of Turkey? It actually does and it perfectly matches Zechariah, Joel and Ezekiel’s prophecies about the surrounding nations attacking Israel. Once again, we have at least three witnesses: 1- Ezekiel in Ezekiel 38. Ezekiel 38 speaks of a coalition of nations led by present-day Turkey (not Russia!) that will attack Israel in the end times. 2- Joel in Joel 3:6 speaks of ‘the children of Judah and Jerusalem’ sold by ‘Tyre and Sidon’ (Lebanon/Hezbollah) and by the ‘Philistines’ (Gaza/Hamas) to the ‘children of Yavan’ (Turkey). 3- Zechariah in Zechariah 9:13 shows Yavan (Turkey) and Israel (Judah and Ephraim) fighting in the context of the end times and the return of Yeshua. Furthermore, we know for a fact that Satan’s very throne is in Turkey. Revelation 2:13 reveals the precise location of Satan's throne in the city of Pergamum in Asia Minor (modern-day Turkey). This supports the identity of the last kingdom of the beast as being a revived Ottoman Empire. Whether the antichrist is a man or satan himself, I think we can make a very strong biblical case of the implication of Turkey in the actual biblical end time scenario. To me, the above looks the most plausible end time unfolding of the Biblical narrative. And the fact that we have actual Turkish protagonists speak out what they intend to do (i.e.: forming an alliance of Islamic countries to attack Israel) just emphasis the biblical reality for all those who have eyes to see! If the above interpretations are correct, that is: 1- The fall of Jerusalem is the marker of the beginning of the 3,5 years of the great tribulation 2- The invaders are made up of the surrounding Muslim nations lead by Turkey (Ezekiel 38 indicates that Iran will also be part of the Turkish lead coalition) Then it has very important implications: a Muslim beast, a local reign of the antichrist and a local implementation of the mark of the beast (at least at the beginning of the tribulation. Islam could then conquer some Western countries?). Now what about the timing? Can we see the above taking place in the next 2,7 years? Trump is right: If he doesn't win this election, Israel, with comrade Kamala Harris at the helm of the United States, is doomed. With Kamala on board the above biblical prophecies have a VERY HIGH PROBABILITY to unfold in the next couple of years. Why? Because those behind KH hate Israel and prefer to side with Israel’s enemies. A second Democrate presidency will abandon Israel to its enemies. This would explain why Israel will fall. Without the US’ support (weapons) and protection, Israel will be overwhelmed. A lot of people say that the coming US election is paramount for the future of the US and the world. They are absolutely right. I would just add: also for the future of the unfolding of the biblical prophecies that have yet to take place. If Kamala wins, this will be another indication that Messiah 2030 chronology is highly probable. Time will tell, of course. Yahweh is sovereign. Trump may win, and Messiah 2030's chronology still be correct. One thing for sure, the next few weeks are going to be extremely interesting... Midnight watcher, do you have anything to add? Be blessed ya'll François-Xavier Hi FX and midnight watcher, it sounds more and more like Erodogan fits the role of the antichrist. Even if Kamala doesn’t get in, I could still see the possibility of this playing out. Could you guys? |
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Post by FX on Sept 12, 2024 5:54:51 GMT
Bonjour Gentlespirit, For what it is worth, here is how I see things: My premice is the following: for Israel to be invaded by a Turkish lead coalition in 2027 that would mean Israel is no longer backed-up by the US. This would mean a weaken US, that no longer plays its role as the Sherif of the World. With the Democrate on board for another term, this is exactly what will happen: the diminution of the US and the rise of the new kid on the block on the world scene: Communist China and its allies (Russia, North Korea, Iran, Afghanistan, etc.). In this scenario, The US would no longer back-up Israel and would leave the bad guys do what they want, including Turkey. Turkey would be free to advance its pawns and form a coalition of Muslim nations to attack Israel. Now, if Trump gets elected and if he were to remain on board till 2028, things won’t be the same. The tyrants of this world would not be in a position to move forward with their evil plans with a strong US, as their very lives would be in danger. They know fully well that one does not mess-up with Donald Trump! Now, there are several other possible scenarios: Trump could get elected, but this would trigger huge protests all throughout the US. The enemy of the US could take advantage of these events to attack the US before January 2024 and the beginning of Trump presidency. Another scenario could be an assassination of Trump? Or Trump on board and the US involved in several wars? If Russia were to use nukes in Europe, the US would have to be involved. If at the same time China invades Taiwan, the US would be involved. A possible scenario would be the US involved on several fronts by 2027 and not being able to come to rescue Isael, which would explain its fall. The above are just suppositions. I guess we’ll have to wait and see how things pan out. Could be, but like Midnight watcher points out, we need to remain open to the possibility of the antichrist not being a man, but the leading spiritual entity (Satan) behind the political-religious system/Islam that he will use to invade Israel. I'm pretty sure that the Ruach will enlighten us in the years to come so that things will get clearer as we approach the final 3,5 year countdown! Blessings |
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Post by gentlespirit18 on Sept 13, 2024 1:44:21 GMT
Good insights Fx-I think the Lord gives us an overview picture of what's coming with this stuff. We will wait and see.
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Post by gentlespirit18 on Sept 13, 2024 1:47:54 GMT
If we look at Revelation, satan, antichrist, and the false prophet are thrown into the Lake of Fire. satan also being the antichrist doesn't fit the context of what I read in Revelation. We will watch carefully.
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Post by laospdr on Sept 13, 2024 3:37:22 GMT
The rise of feminism in America is making it a strong supporter of women's rights, setting the stage for the imminent emergence of a female president. Rev 12: 20 But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols. 21 I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her sexual immorality. 22 Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works. Rev 17: 16 The beast will hate the prostitute (America?). They will make her desolate and naked and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire. Interestingly, even her name echoes "Come Allah"/Kamala.  |
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Post by FX on Sept 13, 2024 6:21:21 GMT
Hi Gentlespirit
Thanks! Indeed, let's wait and see...
In Revelation 13; 16.13 and 20.10, a trio is mentioned, a kind of anti-tri-unity:
Revelation 13 => 1) the dragon, 2) the beast (of the sea) and 3) the beast (of the earth).
Revelation 16 => 1) the dragon, 2) the beast and 3) the false prophet.
Revelation 20 => 1) the devil, 2) the beast and 3) the false prophet.
The equation that seems the most logical to me could be the following:
The dragon = the devil, Satan.
The beast = depending on the context: either a system (Islam) or a kingdom.
The false prophet (the beast of the earth) = the antichrist (and in some cases, Mohammed).
This satanic trinity will be defeated in two stages: 1) first the two beasts (the antichrist and his kingdom) in the Valley of Megiddo (Revelation 16.12-16), 2) then Satan at the end of the millennium (cf. Revelation 20.7-10).
Does it make sense?
Blessings
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Post by FX on Sept 13, 2024 6:34:13 GMT
Hi laospdr, A lot of people think America is the prostitute, but this view is not sustained by Scriptures when using proper hermeneutics. Most people do not realize (yet) that the Western or European paradigm is not the correct one. This has serious implications. If we fail to understand that the correct biblical paradigm is Middle Eastern or Islamic, then our scenario will be off: that is none biblical. Whether willingly or unwillingly, we will set people in the wrong direction and fail to prepare them for what is to come. This is how Ha-satan deceives even the elects...  Interesting, indeed! If KH is elected, this will definitely make Allah (aka Satan) come to play his last card on the world scene (i.e.: Islam) Blessings, |
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Post by mikeyd on Sept 13, 2024 15:02:36 GMT
Their will be no political saviors especially if they are all unbelievers,Satan will mold both candidates to do his bidding...
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Post by FX on Sept 13, 2024 15:58:56 GMT
Yahweh is sovereign and is the One who put leaders in place.
Satan can only do what Elohim let him do...
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Post by beckywc on Sept 13, 2024 19:23:23 GMT
FX,
Should we be looking for a physical temple or not? Also, there is a scripture in the old testament where God told Israel he would save them from the Assryian, was he talking about a man or a people?
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Post by Oro y Plata on Sept 14, 2024 22:09:08 GMT
Excellent post FX ! Unfortunately some Christians think this means he is the AC who will create a 7-year treaty with Israel.  [2Co 13:1 NKJV] 1 This [will be] the third [time] I am coming to you. "By the mouth of two or three witnesses every word shall be established."  Some are saying this election will be "too big to rig" (in Trump's favor). I've been doing some election analysis and this is not so. Things are not looking good for Trump, and for him to win, I believe it will require God's intervention. Here's why. Remember that when it comes to Presidential elections, it largely comes down to the handful of swing states. Moreover, it comes down to only a key county or two within that particular state versus the state as a whole. Here's a reminder of what happened in the 2020 General Election for those who may have forgot or weren't paying attention. On Election Night Tuesday November 3, 2020, the majority of the solid red states (e.g., Montana, Idaho, Florida) and the majority of the solid blue states (e.g., California, Colorado, New York) finished their count on the same night or shortly after into the AM hours of the next day, and declared the winner. This is how it should be, and the way it was in the 2016 General Election when Trump beat Hillary. In 2020, Trump was leading in almost all swing states on election night. Then all of a sudden, the count was stopped on election night. These states continued "counting" for several days after with zero projection or official statement of when they would conclude, and in two states, counted well beyond a week after election day. Day after day, drop after drop of votes came in seemingly all going to Biden. After he gained a sufficient enough margin, the state declared him the winner. Here are some of those swing states. 1. Georgia - declared winner on 11/14 (11 days after election night!). Biden won by a margin of 0.3% (11,779 votes). 2. Arizona - declared winner on 11/11. Biden won by a margin of 0.4% (10,457 votes). 3. Pennsylvania - declared winner on 11/6. Biden won by a margin of 1.2% (81,660 votes). 4. Wisconsin - declared winner on 11/4. Biden won by a margin of 0.6% (20,682 votes). Trump won all of these states in 2016 but they were flipped to Biden in 2020. Assuming for a moment no other states flip in 2024, Trump will have to flip Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin back to win - all three. Even if he flips Arizona, which has historically been red, and any two of the others it won't matter because Arizona doesn't have enough electoral votes to total 270. What's changed since 2020? Have elections become more secure and transparent? Did they pass laws to require voter ID? How about laws to stop continued counting on or shortly after election night? No. What's changed is that millions and millions of illegals have since flooded the country. Twenty-four states now have automatic voter registration. People in these states are automatically registered to vote when getting a driver's license at the DMV. All they do is check a box that says they acknowledge that it is against the law for a non-citizen to vote. There is no system in place to verify citizenship at the ballot. It would only take a very small percentage of them voting in a few key counties in a few key states to entirely swing the election. The steal is already in. What's more, Biden is irrelevant at this point. He could step down and pass the torch to Kamala giving her a huge boost right before Election Day. I will say, however, that God's hand is seemingly over Trump, and He has kept him for His purposes. He has withstood multiple impeachments, big-tech censorship, indictments, court trials, and an assassination attempt. If God has a purpose for Trump, He will not allow him to be taken out until those purposes are fulfilled. Indeed. This powder keg is ready to blow. Blessings |
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Post by kolop on Sept 14, 2024 22:42:47 GMT
All good comments but what's the point of trying to figure out who will win? IMHO I don't care who wins the election. Whoever wins will make absolutely no difference because God already knows who will win. We don't. That's the difference. So, when we do find who wins, nothing changes as per God's grand plan.
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Post by Oro y Plata on Sept 15, 2024 0:36:18 GMT
All good comments but what's the point of trying to figure out who will win? IMHO I don't care who wins the election. Whoever wins will make absolutely no difference because God already knows who will win. We don't. That's the difference. So, when we do find who wins, nothing changes as per God's grand plan. The same reason that farmers, aviators, military, and individuals are interested in knowing what the weather forecast is. It helps them prepare for and navigate the climate of what might be coming ahead. When was the last time you asked a sailor why they bother to know the forecast since God already determined the wind and the waves in addition to how and when the sailor would die? God knows, the sailor doesn't, so what's the point? We can essentially ask any question with the structure of "What's the point of doing X, if God has already determined Y will occur?" Questions like these fall back to the doctrine of predestination, which states God has already fixed all events and outcomes. I think this is Biblical, however, I also believe there is a way in which God wants us to respond and a way in which He does not. Wasn't it legislation that put Daniel in the lion's den? Wasn't it legislation by Hamon's wicked plotting that almost got Mordecai hung had Esther not intervened? [Pro 29:2 NKJV] 2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked [man] rules, the people groan. Another example, not tied to any specific election, "Why vote if God already determined who wins?" Do you care what kids get taught in your schools? If abortion on demand is made legal and you have to pay for it? God already knows who will win and what legislation will be enacted right? It changes nothing per His grand plan right? [Hos 4:14 ESV] ...,and a people without understanding shall come to ruin. We put all our faith in God, but we are stewards that utilize the resources He made available to us for His/gospel sake. If we lose free speech then we may not even be having this discussion on this forum right now. Do you care at all if Messiah 2030 will continue to have a place to release future productions? Messiah 2030 already believes their content will eventually face full censorship, so what difference does it make for us to be prattling on here? [Pro 14:34 NKJV] 34 Righteousness exalts a nation, But sin [is] a reproach to [any] people. Remember that God already knew whether or not He would destroy Nineveh for their wickedness, yet He sent Jonah to preach to them, and they repented. Jonah showed that apathy is not the response God desires, so did Esther and Daniel. David Pawson, author of Unlocking The Bible, had this to say: “The understanding comes in part from an interpretation of a passage in Jeremiah 18 in which people are likened to clay in the hands of a potter. Many argue that God is the potter who does what he chooses with the clay. The clay has no choice. But Jeremiah 18 may be making the opposite point. For in the parable, the potter had every intention of making the clay into a beautiful vase, but the clay would not run in his hands, so he made into a lump again and put it back on the wheel and made a crude, thick cooking pot. So God is actually teaching Jeremiah that we should choose to co-operate with the potter and allow him to make something beautiful out of us. This parable helps us to answer the view that we cannot resist God. It shows that if we respond to God, the destiny which he planned for us from the foundation of the world will be ours.” Blessings |
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Post by kolop on Sept 15, 2024 4:56:55 GMT
The same reason that farmers, aviators, military, and individuals are interested in knowing what the weather forecast is. It helps them prepare for and navigate the climate of what might be coming ahead. Knowing what the weather might do at some point in the future is a completely different matter. It's used as you say to prepare what might come ahead. As for knowing who will win has no value since we already know what is going to happen according to the timeline we have at hand. So, we need to be prepared anyway no matter who wins.
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